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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.12 12:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Imigo Montoya
The NC has repelled invasion after invasion over the years...
Since all that valiant defensive work has been based exclusively on the teleportion system (bridges) and raw numbers, the outpouring of frustration is understandable.
With bridges being reduced to helping hands rather than full-body exoskeletons and dilation removing a big part of 'numbers > all' the weak, timid and badly organized are going down hard.
ASCN had the right idea, in their aimed for self sufficiency which is why the were the first to do most things:
built the first outpost,
built the first Titan (or was Molle's born a few days prior, I forget),
had the first 'standing army',
was the first multi-regional entity etc.
All that was accomplished with blood, sweat and tears, old fashioned cooperation and competent leadership.
The only bad thing about the bridge change is that it doesn't really help create natural hubs in null, but my guess is that CCPs muse has the year off and the janitor didn't have any better ideas.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.12 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 12/05/2011 12:34:37
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
..so saying that the NC repelled invasions exclusively based on those is a little bit of a stretch methinks.
Absolute truth just makes for boring reading, a little colouration does wonders 
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
You seem to be forgetting that we're all carebears - we have a solid industrial backbone. 
So did ASCN, their problem was that they didn't have much else so fell apart when the wolves got through the fence.
PS: Get all your carebear friends posting in Mitten's FarmVille thread in AH so the inevitable industry revamp is as good as it can be from the start instead of CCPs usual half-assed solution that take years to mature.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: scarfo
..(they are supposed to represent a broad cross section of the community)
"Supposed to" as opposed to "Are" .. huge difference. Asking the current CSM about base changes is like asking for gun control advice from a gun manufacturer
PS: Read the Assembly Hall. Topics for the upcoming summit are mostly null related with very few exceptions. CCP apparently mean business this time.
Wonder if the bloat entities that have relied on mechanics to keep their space (space, not sov) safe are able to adapt .. policing the space-lanes is proper oldschool Eve and was one of the most fun parts to boot, glad its coming back.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.14 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: SirLANsalot
This change would of been good when JB's were first added, but now its not.
"One per System" wouldn't have solved the problem at the time.
If you were around and involved in null prior to Revelations, you'd know that JBs were a direct response to the epic groan/moan/whine threads from all of null as they laboured to fuel/deploy dozens of POS in every system just to have sovereignty .. looking back it boggles the mind how it was even done in the first place, logistics guys were gods among men I reckon
Once the POS were taken out of the equation with Dominion sov system, the bridges should have been removed/restricted as well .. Dominion will go down in history as the most worthless addition in Eve due to this and all the other ridiculousness it brought.
"One per System" will still allow space holders to skip over entire regions or bypass a frequently contested gate if they want .. will take some serious planning to pull off and actual policing will be required on a daily basis, other than that most everything else remains the same.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.16 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Resender
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Bridges were added to help with the mad logistics requirement of the POS based sovereignty system. They should have been killed off with Dominion, when POS no longer had that role, but someone dropped the ball.
1. Higher population means more able bodies to go on patrols.
2. Capitals are getting revised in near future, expect jump/bridge ranges to take a serious hit.
3. Lag has been used/abused by everyone involved in null, some just put in the effort to analysing its effects in order to be better than the enemy when it hits.
4. T3's are also likely to be revised in near future, some are godly while others rarely see starlight. If by "mixed fleet" you mean ****fit ratting ships, then yes they will die .. same as if you dropped a bunch of combat interceptors on them.
5. Still have Ice mining last I checked. Fuel from PI is an extra for people who have already scratched their eyes out in the belts.
6. Sovereignty is likely to be revised in the near future. Dominion had the exact opposite effect of what was intended with blobs increasing, expect price to be low for entry level sov with costs ballooning as you add systems.
PS: Kick your CSM rep to push CCP into getting the null industry revamp in place ASAP.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.05.18 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 18/05/2011 05:12:49
Originally by: SirLANsalot
..If CCP could see all the industrial ships that are killed on JB's every day,..
It is called PvE, it is one step up from ganking ratters but still PvE. Bet "all those industrials" amount to less than what is killed on a single generic busy gate in low-sec .. just sayin'
Had I "grown up" with omni-present bridges I'd be pretty irate as well, but I actually moved to low-sec when the spam started partially because null was being dumbed down to Blob! vs Blob! .. fun and challenge went AWOL.
Being able to pay ones way to an advantage as huge as that offered by omni-present bridges is part of why they are were broken .. look at what you get per ISK when buying/using faction stuff: single digit performance % increases at insane mark-ups, if that was to be applied to bridges and the power the represent the costs would be so high that only real world millionaires with daily PLEX orders could compete.
ISK makes for a really crappy balancing mechanism in all areas which is why it is not used.
I'll say it again, JB's could be so much more than they are but CCP lacks the inspiration/people to think outside the box:
- Highway Bridges: Anchored at planetoids, open for all, owners able to offline fast/online slow.
- Conflicted Bridges: Unable to online bridge in system with anchored jammer.
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Originally by: Dendel Hypermach
Given that you need to gate out of a JB link, why on earth would caps be banned from JB's? A Single JB per system fixes your perceived cap ship problem, don't double fix i.t
Because we all want (and need) some of the 3000+ supercapitals to die in a fire which is nigh impossible if they can be moved into jammed parking systems on a whim.
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